In this talk, Andrea Ambam sits down with Irene Sofia Lucio (Patricia) & Chalia La Tour (Tea). In Slave Play, Tea and Patricia are the scientists/therapists who created "antebellum sexual performance therapy" based on their own interracial relationship. In the context of race, sex & trauma—is it possible to separate lived experience from experimentation? What happens when the experiences of the people trying to lead a group keep bubbling to the surface? Listen to Chalia and Irene unpacking these tricky questions and more!